maerlyn
Jan 5, 01:59 AM
Thanks balamw,
I got an answer from the VLC forums. To do this you need to go into the preferences for VLC and select "all"rather than "basic" for the preferences, then select the "Stream Output" heading and uncheck "Enable video stream output".
I also changed the encapsulation method to "Raw" rather than "Quicktime" because for some reason it otherwise wouldn't import the mp3 files into itunes (I'm guessing it's something to do with ID3 tags). this then gives me file sizes around 6mb depending on the bit rate used and song length.
In summary to get the audio from a DVD using VLC change the above preference settings then under the "Open Disc", choose "DVD" and "No DVD Menus" then change the MRL to the chapter of the DVD you want audio from e.g. 1:3 is chapter 3, then select "Streaming/Saving" and go to the "Settings". then in the file space name the file you want to create including .mp3 extension, then choose Raw encapsulation, mp3 transcoding and whatever bit rate and channels you want.
In similar fashion I believe you can use VLC to grab audio mp3 from flash .flv files
I got an answer from the VLC forums. To do this you need to go into the preferences for VLC and select "all"rather than "basic" for the preferences, then select the "Stream Output" heading and uncheck "Enable video stream output".
I also changed the encapsulation method to "Raw" rather than "Quicktime" because for some reason it otherwise wouldn't import the mp3 files into itunes (I'm guessing it's something to do with ID3 tags). this then gives me file sizes around 6mb depending on the bit rate used and song length.
In summary to get the audio from a DVD using VLC change the above preference settings then under the "Open Disc", choose "DVD" and "No DVD Menus" then change the MRL to the chapter of the DVD you want audio from e.g. 1:3 is chapter 3, then select "Streaming/Saving" and go to the "Settings". then in the file space name the file you want to create including .mp3 extension, then choose Raw encapsulation, mp3 transcoding and whatever bit rate and channels you want.
In similar fashion I believe you can use VLC to grab audio mp3 from flash .flv files
alent1234
Apr 5, 08:00 AM
My question though is how is this any different then having multiple TVs on your cable account? You can only watch TV on your account when your in your own home and on your own WiFi. Time warner took some pretty big steps to make sure you can't "steal" cable... It is a pretty secure app.
I am just wondering why Viacom and others are bitching? Its just like going in the other room and watching it on the other TV... Doesn't allow you to watch TV away from home..
iPad is not Nielsen enabled. if people use the iPad app then the content owners don't know who's watching what and they can't scam more money out of the cable companies every few years.
the way the business is set up is revenues from cable customers and adds based on nielsen numbers
I am just wondering why Viacom and others are bitching? Its just like going in the other room and watching it on the other TV... Doesn't allow you to watch TV away from home..
iPad is not Nielsen enabled. if people use the iPad app then the content owners don't know who's watching what and they can't scam more money out of the cable companies every few years.
the way the business is set up is revenues from cable customers and adds based on nielsen numbers
Fatdog
Nov 17, 10:44 PM
So a 17 year old can do it but a gigantic company with $50 billion lying there can't. Seems logical to me. :rolleyes:
Wake up Steve. Seriously.
No, there's a slight difference. He's simply selling the parts with no control on quality or guarantee that white glass will negatively affect the iPhone. Apple isn't selling the white iPhone 4 because there are quality issues that the suppliers can't overcome. Rumor is that the white glass on the iPhone 4 isn't consistently white and allows light to bleed through to the camera sensor. Apple had enough problems with the antenna "issue", so I imagine that'd take precautions with the white glass...
Wake up Steve. Seriously.
No, there's a slight difference. He's simply selling the parts with no control on quality or guarantee that white glass will negatively affect the iPhone. Apple isn't selling the white iPhone 4 because there are quality issues that the suppliers can't overcome. Rumor is that the white glass on the iPhone 4 isn't consistently white and allows light to bleed through to the camera sensor. Apple had enough problems with the antenna "issue", so I imagine that'd take precautions with the white glass...
JGowan
Apr 5, 12:28 PM
I don't know if I qualify as a "fan boy" or not... I love technology, Apple just happens to have been the leader for a long time. Anyway, I'm not a fan of CR's criteria regardless of what they recommend. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.I hear ya. People would definitely say Fanboy James is talking Apple again, but looking around my world, I see Sanyo, Sony, Vizio, MS XBox, Pioneer, Toshiba and other logos. I like tech. I have more Apple stuff, but Apple simply makes more stuff that I like in certain ways than others do.
Those shouting Fanboy, take notice!
Those shouting Fanboy, take notice!
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Popeye206
Apr 13, 05:00 AM
Well, I can get 22% off a Verizon plan, that sort of thing might matter. Although, I don't want a 3G iPad, so....no matter to me.
* Also, crap DNS speed really throws many people for surfing, anyway. The internet's dirty little secret. I wonder how many millions don't realize they could be faster by typing a couple digits into setup.
Jat.... didn't know this. Made the change and not sure about speed, but it fixed another issue I had where one of my business partner web sites was getting blocked. Thanks for the tip!
* Also, crap DNS speed really throws many people for surfing, anyway. The internet's dirty little secret. I wonder how many millions don't realize they could be faster by typing a couple digits into setup.
Jat.... didn't know this. Made the change and not sure about speed, but it fixed another issue I had where one of my business partner web sites was getting blocked. Thanks for the tip!
nasty devil
May 2, 01:06 PM
Wow.
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Earendil
Dec 1, 09:54 AM
So a 17 year old can do it but a gigantic company with $50 billion lying there can't. Seems logical to me. :rolleyes:
Wake up Steve. Seriously.
Think that one through, would you please?
Apple has much higher standards of quality than a 17 y.o. kid in NY. Apple has a reputation for not selling cheap/broken/imperfect shiet. Not only does Apple have that reputation, I bet you it is written down.
So yeah, it seems perfectly logical. For $50 I'll take a can of spray paint to your iphone. Now I can do it cheaper than a 50 billion dollar company, and some kid in NY! I must be amazing!
Wake up Steve. Seriously.
Think that one through, would you please?
Apple has much higher standards of quality than a 17 y.o. kid in NY. Apple has a reputation for not selling cheap/broken/imperfect shiet. Not only does Apple have that reputation, I bet you it is written down.
So yeah, it seems perfectly logical. For $50 I'll take a can of spray paint to your iphone. Now I can do it cheaper than a 50 billion dollar company, and some kid in NY! I must be amazing!
Sesshi
Nov 14, 03:57 AM
I prefer the Japanese Mac guy. Although I dare say the Justin Long character is probably more truly representative of many Mac users (somewhat smug, somewhat superior, superficially focused on looks) :p
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Nermal
Mar 21, 09:23 PM
There's a chain email going around here in NZ saying not to buy from BP or Mobil for the rest of the year. I'm not expecting it to do much good though...
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lkrupp
Apr 5, 10:19 AM
The iPhone 4 was and still is the best
Well, if we were vehement about dismissing their review of the iPhone 4 as flawed then shouoldn't we be consistent and do the same for the iPad. If they're not worth paying attention to because of bad review then why laud them for picking the iPad as the best tablet. I'm just say'in.
Well, if we were vehement about dismissing their review of the iPhone 4 as flawed then shouoldn't we be consistent and do the same for the iPad. If they're not worth paying attention to because of bad review then why laud them for picking the iPad as the best tablet. I'm just say'in.
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Buschmaster
Nov 2, 11:11 AM
I'm a switcher, well, a switch backer. ;) My last computer was a PC, but that's my only PC ever.
My brother is also a switch backer. I have a friend who is a switcher, my mom is a soon to be switcher. I have two friends who are both soon to be switchers and possibly even one or two more.
After everyone saw what my MacBook was capable of, they all wanted to get on board. And they'll only convince a few more people who will convince a few more people. It sounds like a pyramid scam, but it's great to be back in the Mac World.:cool:
My brother is also a switch backer. I have a friend who is a switcher, my mom is a soon to be switcher. I have two friends who are both soon to be switchers and possibly even one or two more.
After everyone saw what my MacBook was capable of, they all wanted to get on board. And they'll only convince a few more people who will convince a few more people. It sounds like a pyramid scam, but it's great to be back in the Mac World.:cool:
likemyorbs
Apr 13, 02:03 AM
Except race has been shown to have an effect on intelligence. Ashkenazi Jews are about 1SD above whites, on average (average IQ 100, SD = 15). Blacks typically fare about 1SD lower than whites.
1. You mean Ashkenazi Jews are 1SD above NON-JEWISH whites? Because last time i checked Ashkenazi's were white.
2. It actually has nothing to do with race. Jews have a higher chance of being college educated than non-jews, and blacks have less of a chance of being college educated than whites altogether. It's not genetic, its the result of a combination of social factors.
So in short, race has no effect on intelligence. Upbringing does.
1. You mean Ashkenazi Jews are 1SD above NON-JEWISH whites? Because last time i checked Ashkenazi's were white.
2. It actually has nothing to do with race. Jews have a higher chance of being college educated than non-jews, and blacks have less of a chance of being college educated than whites altogether. It's not genetic, its the result of a combination of social factors.
So in short, race has no effect on intelligence. Upbringing does.
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Love
May 3, 09:06 PM
For the first time, pretty much ever, I am genuinely disappointed in my nation.
pianojoe
Oct 9, 04:39 PM
Of course they are less expensive. No packaging, no media, no store space, no shipping required.
They should be less expensive.
I don't understand what this fuzz is about! I buy a DVD, I watch it, say, 10 times. (Some criminally inclined people would even rip it, shame!) If I don't want it any more, I'll resell it for maybe half the price on Eballs.
I can't resell the downloaded version. The resale value of the purchased media drops to $0 the moment I buy it. That means, it should be half the price of a DVD. But wait... No packaging, no physical media, (in a way) no retail profit margin...
The download should be one third the price of the DVD. That's fair!
They should be less expensive.
I don't understand what this fuzz is about! I buy a DVD, I watch it, say, 10 times. (Some criminally inclined people would even rip it, shame!) If I don't want it any more, I'll resell it for maybe half the price on Eballs.
I can't resell the downloaded version. The resale value of the purchased media drops to $0 the moment I buy it. That means, it should be half the price of a DVD. But wait... No packaging, no physical media, (in a way) no retail profit margin...
The download should be one third the price of the DVD. That's fair!
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efoto
Sep 19, 11:54 AM
This girl must have you star-struck, eh? Sending messages over to other computers in the apple store is difficult. They always have these odd names for ichat/bonjour services, so it's not likely you'll be able to do this on your first try. You could be sending a message to another GUY somwhere in the store for all you know.
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Course, you could always go with chloriphorm if all else fails.
nevermind... those were examples, nothing more. if thats what you commented on in my post, forget it. Its falling on deaf ears :D Through your post you go onto say "she can look me up" or whatever... I got news for you... you are looking for ways to talk to her remember? I can bet one thing right now that shes NOT doing... thinking of ways to talk to you. Please dont take offense to that, its just generally something women dont have to do.
You want her? Go get her! Don't hide behind "i dont care" because the fact is you do, and deep down you would be pissed if she started dating someone besides you... SELF CONFIDENCE! thats what i hear time and time again :D
That is just it, I have no idea if she that hot because I hardly know her, and physical appearance only goes so far. As far as hiding behind "i dont care" as steeleclipse mentioned, I am not hiding behind it, I am stating a true fact, which myself of all people should realize to be true. If I go there again I am not going to avoid her, I would hope she doesn't feel the urge to avoid me considering I haven't done anything to her, and frankly shopping doesn't require purchases, so I shouldn't be forced to only enter the store when I have a need to purchase, I like to browse. I would not at all be pissed if she dated someone else, for all I know she could be right now and that is great for her. I simply thought she was an attractive and interesting person, and since I have a poor history of initiating contact with women I like, I thought I would ask around. I guess my purpose didn't quite filter in to all of your understandings :p
steeleclipse, I read all of what you were typing, not just the IM portion however that was interesting from a how would one do this? aspect, it was not the focus of my response, only the first paragraph. I don't take offense to much, this is no exception so no worries on that front. The comment about she can look me up still seems valid in my mind, solely because if she was interested, she can look me up if she was really curious. I realize that women are not required to do so as men commonly are (retarded rule in my opinion) however I am not forcing anything on her, I was just stating a fact.
Okay, nevermind, I am tired but going to the gym regardless. I'll swing by the chemistry labs and try to make/mix/take some chloroform, just to give me some future options :rolleyes:
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Course, you could always go with chloriphorm if all else fails.
nevermind... those were examples, nothing more. if thats what you commented on in my post, forget it. Its falling on deaf ears :D Through your post you go onto say "she can look me up" or whatever... I got news for you... you are looking for ways to talk to her remember? I can bet one thing right now that shes NOT doing... thinking of ways to talk to you. Please dont take offense to that, its just generally something women dont have to do.
You want her? Go get her! Don't hide behind "i dont care" because the fact is you do, and deep down you would be pissed if she started dating someone besides you... SELF CONFIDENCE! thats what i hear time and time again :D
That is just it, I have no idea if she that hot because I hardly know her, and physical appearance only goes so far. As far as hiding behind "i dont care" as steeleclipse mentioned, I am not hiding behind it, I am stating a true fact, which myself of all people should realize to be true. If I go there again I am not going to avoid her, I would hope she doesn't feel the urge to avoid me considering I haven't done anything to her, and frankly shopping doesn't require purchases, so I shouldn't be forced to only enter the store when I have a need to purchase, I like to browse. I would not at all be pissed if she dated someone else, for all I know she could be right now and that is great for her. I simply thought she was an attractive and interesting person, and since I have a poor history of initiating contact with women I like, I thought I would ask around. I guess my purpose didn't quite filter in to all of your understandings :p
steeleclipse, I read all of what you were typing, not just the IM portion however that was interesting from a how would one do this? aspect, it was not the focus of my response, only the first paragraph. I don't take offense to much, this is no exception so no worries on that front. The comment about she can look me up still seems valid in my mind, solely because if she was interested, she can look me up if she was really curious. I realize that women are not required to do so as men commonly are (retarded rule in my opinion) however I am not forcing anything on her, I was just stating a fact.
Okay, nevermind, I am tired but going to the gym regardless. I'll swing by the chemistry labs and try to make/mix/take some chloroform, just to give me some future options :rolleyes:
Diode
Jan 6, 03:13 PM
I'm surprised of no chat notifications or are those considered "messages"?
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Ja Di ksw
Nov 14, 01:55 PM
BTW - I cannot post in the new thread you created so.. I guess my contribution will end here :)
I'm sorry, my goal wasn't to keep people out of the topic, but to make it easier to talk about the two separate topics. Why can't you post over there?
I'm sorry, my goal wasn't to keep people out of the topic, but to make it easier to talk about the two separate topics. Why can't you post over there?
chris200x9
Mar 17, 04:08 PM
The government wants to make sure that, as online piracy moves increasingly to streaming, the law keeps up with the activity. Currently, "reproducing" and "distributing" copyrighted works are felony charges, and they cover peer-to-peer file-sharing.
full article here (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/obama-ip-czar-wants-felony-charges-for-illegal-web-streaming.ars)
What do you think about this? I personally agree with what the full article points out, streaming is like holding a public performance without a proper license which is not a felony.
full article here (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/obama-ip-czar-wants-felony-charges-for-illegal-web-streaming.ars)
What do you think about this? I personally agree with what the full article points out, streaming is like holding a public performance without a proper license which is not a felony.
dsnort
Mar 11, 08:38 PM
Anybody remember when WalMart advertised that the products they sold were "Made in the USA"? Sad time my friends, sad times.
Funny story on that.
The small town where I grew up had a Western Auto store. It was the place to buy all kind's of stuff, including bicycles. My family was friends with the family that owned the store, I heard this tale from the father.
After WalMart opened in our town, sales at the Western Auto slowed. The guy went down to WalMart to check out what they were doing. He found the same brand of bike he was selling, being retailed at 1-2% more than was paying for them. The next time the bike manufacturers rep came by, he asked him about this.
"Well", the sales rep said, "volume discount this, economies of scale that, efficiency the other".
"But my families store has been supporting your brand for 40 years, where's the loyalty?", or words to that effect.
"Well, times change", was the answer.
A year goes by, and the bike manufacturer rep is back at the WA, where he sees a good assortment his brands bike, including new models just released the previous month. He goes to the store owner and asks him "Where did you get these new bikes? You haven't place an order with us in 8 months"
"I bought them at WalMart".
"Why would you do that? You can get them cheaper by buying them direct"
"Not a lot cheaper I couldn't. And I figure either WalMart is selling them for no profit, or you are. So by buying them at WalMart, I'm *********g one of you sons of bitches, and that makes me happy!"
Moral of the story? The bike manufacturer moved their production facilities over seas. The Western Auto is now a Beef O'Brady's.
Funny story on that.
The small town where I grew up had a Western Auto store. It was the place to buy all kind's of stuff, including bicycles. My family was friends with the family that owned the store, I heard this tale from the father.
After WalMart opened in our town, sales at the Western Auto slowed. The guy went down to WalMart to check out what they were doing. He found the same brand of bike he was selling, being retailed at 1-2% more than was paying for them. The next time the bike manufacturers rep came by, he asked him about this.
"Well", the sales rep said, "volume discount this, economies of scale that, efficiency the other".
"But my families store has been supporting your brand for 40 years, where's the loyalty?", or words to that effect.
"Well, times change", was the answer.
A year goes by, and the bike manufacturer rep is back at the WA, where he sees a good assortment his brands bike, including new models just released the previous month. He goes to the store owner and asks him "Where did you get these new bikes? You haven't place an order with us in 8 months"
"I bought them at WalMart".
"Why would you do that? You can get them cheaper by buying them direct"
"Not a lot cheaper I couldn't. And I figure either WalMart is selling them for no profit, or you are. So by buying them at WalMart, I'm *********g one of you sons of bitches, and that makes me happy!"
Moral of the story? The bike manufacturer moved their production facilities over seas. The Western Auto is now a Beef O'Brady's.
autrefois
Nov 14, 10:28 AM
Sounds great to me! Did anyone here anything about Zune intergration in planes? I didn't think so. :p
It still amazes me that so many cars in the US are iPod friendly. Now the skies are becoming iPod friendly, too! Next stop, the space shuttle.
It still amazes me that so many cars in the US are iPod friendly. Now the skies are becoming iPod friendly, too! Next stop, the space shuttle.
bayxsonic
Mar 28, 02:59 PM
This is going to be great, absolutely, but forget to pay only a $99 premium for this feature. TVs with Internet access and AirPlay capabilities are going to be overpriced for a couple years. Then the technology will either have failed and retired from TVs or it will be in every or so TV. Now I just wish I could have a cheap audio AirPlay receiver to connect my speakers to ($40 anyone?)
darkplanets
Apr 1, 09:49 AM
When your hands are tied, your hands are tied.
I'm not a huge fan of Time Warner, but hey, there's not much they can do here. It's actually a great idea, allowing channels to be watched from any screen so long as you have a subscription...
The fact that some networks are against this is mind boggling.... why on earth would you want to decrease potential viewership when your revenue is based on increasing viewership?
I'm not a huge fan of Time Warner, but hey, there's not much they can do here. It's actually a great idea, allowing channels to be watched from any screen so long as you have a subscription...
The fact that some networks are against this is mind boggling.... why on earth would you want to decrease potential viewership when your revenue is based on increasing viewership?
likemyorbs
Apr 12, 03:16 PM
As for what I meant- I am trying to illustrate how silly and unrealistic and inherently flawed "anti-discrimination" laws are. Lets say I do not hire a guy because he is black. That is my ONLY reason. HOW is that any different than not hiring a guy because he is not intelligent? He can't help his intelligence, it was passed on to him from his parents.
That's completely different. Intelligence is not fully genetic. You can become intelligent by obtaining an education.
That's completely different. Intelligence is not fully genetic. You can become intelligent by obtaining an education.
63dot
Mar 12, 01:08 PM
I thought everything that was stamped "Made in USA" or "Made in America" was fully so until I had to set out for my master's thesis on a famous American made product that I adore (Fender Musical Instrument Corporation).
As far as fully made in America, I can understand my expensive pro skateboarder Daewon Song Signature jeans from Matix Clothing Company being American made and the price tag certainly shows that. They are great but regular Matix jeans made overseas are just as good. Outside of my prized jeans, and some cool Sears Craftsman tools from the old days, everything I have is completely or partially made in another country.
When I was researching my guitar collection and my favorite brand, Fender, I went to Fender Musical Instruments as my first possible topic. I love my American Standard Stratocaster and Fender Standard Stratocaster with optional Floyd Rose tremolo. Made in USA is in small print on the guitar so I felt like they were like my vintage Fenders and Gibson guitars which I grew up with which were made in the USA.
It turns out many of the bodies of the guitar body blanks (before finishing), regardless of price point are made at a state of the art factory in Mexico. And on the Fender Standard series (at that time), both body and neck and most electronics are made in Mexico. Oddly, some of the Mexican made electrics from Fender have American made electronics. And while Floyd Rose is an American guitar parts inventor of the highest reputation (then bought by Fender at the time), it turns out the Original Floyd Rose tremolo was made in Germany, or at least the ones I played and some subcontracted by Schaller in Germany among others in the long history of Floyd Rose tremolos.
Later electric guitar models, regardless of maker or sticker or stamp, which are active electronics and may incorporate a small motherboard/daughterboard, have some of the electronic parts made in Taiwan. And that's just guitars and guitar components.
Now imagine how much more complex an "American" car is. Is is assembled here? Probably in most cases and not surprisingly some "foreign" cars are assembled here. But then where are the electronics of said American car from? Where was the paint made? Where were the plastics acquired from? Where is the glass from? Who made the tires, and if so, is it standard on all the car lines? Heck, are all the workers US citizens and/or legally allowed to work in the USA who are at the Ford plant? etc..
So when it comes to "Made in America", unless it's fairly straightforward like my more expensive Matix jeans or my buddy's American made, more expensive New Balance shoes, both which have a limited amount of parts/suppliers, there is no Made in America/USA products that are 100% percent so. It really pains me when somebody around me, in Silicon Valley, still thinks everything Apple is "Made in Cupertino".
That being said, I love any Fender guitar I have come across whether owning it, testing it out, or borrowing it for a gig, every Apple product I have ever owned, and the Matix jeans, my sole American product are not bad either.
I don't really care where a product is made if it is good. I just do my part for my region and buy locally, even if it costs even 10%-20% percent more.
As far as fully made in America, I can understand my expensive pro skateboarder Daewon Song Signature jeans from Matix Clothing Company being American made and the price tag certainly shows that. They are great but regular Matix jeans made overseas are just as good. Outside of my prized jeans, and some cool Sears Craftsman tools from the old days, everything I have is completely or partially made in another country.
When I was researching my guitar collection and my favorite brand, Fender, I went to Fender Musical Instruments as my first possible topic. I love my American Standard Stratocaster and Fender Standard Stratocaster with optional Floyd Rose tremolo. Made in USA is in small print on the guitar so I felt like they were like my vintage Fenders and Gibson guitars which I grew up with which were made in the USA.
It turns out many of the bodies of the guitar body blanks (before finishing), regardless of price point are made at a state of the art factory in Mexico. And on the Fender Standard series (at that time), both body and neck and most electronics are made in Mexico. Oddly, some of the Mexican made electrics from Fender have American made electronics. And while Floyd Rose is an American guitar parts inventor of the highest reputation (then bought by Fender at the time), it turns out the Original Floyd Rose tremolo was made in Germany, or at least the ones I played and some subcontracted by Schaller in Germany among others in the long history of Floyd Rose tremolos.
Later electric guitar models, regardless of maker or sticker or stamp, which are active electronics and may incorporate a small motherboard/daughterboard, have some of the electronic parts made in Taiwan. And that's just guitars and guitar components.
Now imagine how much more complex an "American" car is. Is is assembled here? Probably in most cases and not surprisingly some "foreign" cars are assembled here. But then where are the electronics of said American car from? Where was the paint made? Where were the plastics acquired from? Where is the glass from? Who made the tires, and if so, is it standard on all the car lines? Heck, are all the workers US citizens and/or legally allowed to work in the USA who are at the Ford plant? etc..
So when it comes to "Made in America", unless it's fairly straightforward like my more expensive Matix jeans or my buddy's American made, more expensive New Balance shoes, both which have a limited amount of parts/suppliers, there is no Made in America/USA products that are 100% percent so. It really pains me when somebody around me, in Silicon Valley, still thinks everything Apple is "Made in Cupertino".
That being said, I love any Fender guitar I have come across whether owning it, testing it out, or borrowing it for a gig, every Apple product I have ever owned, and the Matix jeans, my sole American product are not bad either.
I don't really care where a product is made if it is good. I just do my part for my region and buy locally, even if it costs even 10%-20% percent more.
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